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Universal Oneness Animal Conciousness and Vegetarianism
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So, we are one single universe, every bit of us.
Every star, planet, every human being, every animal every microbe.
Billions of years ago we evolved ourselves into dinosaurs, we collected huge amounts of energy into our gigantic lizard like bodies and then because we had hit a dead end we died out and started over with the new mamalian body types.
We split ourselves up into various types of animals and primates, eventually evolved the human form, and began using fossil fuels to build large scale technological society, the very same energy we had collated billions of years before but could not effectively use to get where we are now.
Now we could take it that all this happened by random chance, that all things are disconnected and unity / universal oneness is a mere abstract concept devoid of actual reality.
Or we can look at the path we have taken and believe that we took it together, all the bits of us, striving towards the goal we always had in mind which has only recently started to come together as the physical manifest reality.
In that instance, where we are truly all one being finding out that we are all one, experiencing our own self subjectively, then we must accept that all the animals, microbes and everything else is us as well.
In that case, the animals evolved the way they did to provide the other parts of us what has been needed to carry us forward towards higher intelligence, just as the organs of the body support the brain and have evolved to do so, so to the biosphere supports the human race and in this way of looking at it has evolved to do so, not by force, but by consent.
So when it comes to vegetarianism, what does universal unity of conciousness tell us about the concept?
Can it not be argued that the parts of us which evolved to be herbivorous did so in order to provide food for the parts of us that evolved towards higher intellect, as a team effort with the knowledge that there is a higher end game goal for all parts of us to attain?
Should we then be concerned that a being that decided for itself, in and of itself, as part of itself decided to sacrifice it's own suffering in reality in order to raise itself to a higher state for itself to finally enjoy for eternity?
Perhaps we should thank the cows, and pigs and sheep for their sacrifice, but then again maybe they should thank the humans for doing the intellectual part of the grand universal task, or maybe thanking oneself for bits of oneself doing what those bits of oneself are there to do, is inherently skitzophrenic and parts of ourself holding onto ideas like that is what has to happen for other parts of ourself to move past them in the future to bring about said final end game for the whole of ourself.
Ourself; The universe be our name,
Our kingdom come,
Our physics done,
On the Earth, as it is in the Cosmos,
We give us our self our daily bread,
and forget about all debts
as we thank our self for our efforts
and lead our self not into delusion
but deliver our self from duality,
for ours is the universe,
the eternity is reality.
HELL
JackSparrow
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You've all heard of it, HELL... the place of eternal damnation, torment and suffering for failing to accept whatever belief system mentions it.
You know the story, how it's described and sold... eternity in agony and torment, no reprieve, no parole, no salvation... EVER.
So given the doctrine, which has been used to scare the living daylights out of semi-litterate and ignorant people for millenia, I have to wonder..
Why is it that appologists for religions which include the concept always seem to try and water it down, cheapen it, suggest that it's not really eternal, it's just temporary, and only until you learn the error of your ways and how you ought to grovel on bended knees to your LORD and MASTER the CREATOR of the universe, your PRISON of servitude...
Debate...
Is there a HELL?
How can we reconcile the concept with an all loving Creator of the universe?
If there is no HELL, what then is Justice for the most evil and perverted people that live?
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Why is it that people are willing to apply faith, and act on their beliefs, based on books written in the pre-enlightenment bronze age, which are full of known inaccuracies, dubious moral values, and down right blatant misogynistic bullshit, backed up with nothing more than "it's true because we say so" reasoning?
Why do people believe in an all powerful all loving god who is also the worst possible tyrant who is not only willing to condemn people for being less than perfect, but also who designed and created the absolute worst possible eternal torture chamber, and has ostensibly sent nearly every human being who ever existed to dwell there?
Debate!
Religionists, defend your God!
Tell us all why it is that we must grovel on the floor 5 times a day, or why we should stay up all night saying rosarys, or why we should burn heretics and witches at the stake?
Tell us why your God is more real than Wotan or Thor, or the great JuJu under the sea?
Tell us how your religion is any more credible than Pastafarianism!
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From my perspective, the moment anyone talks about "Parallel Universes" or "infinite copies of ourselves" I become somewhat disinterested in the rest of what they have to say, because it's already apparent to me that they are working with a less precise understanding of both what a universe is and what a self is.
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Is Voyager the worst Trek ever?
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I just finished watching Voyager all the way through for the second time. When I say watch, I don't give it 100% of my attention; rather I run the episodes on my second screen as background while I'm working on my main screen, so sometimes it takes a few views for it to really sink in what I have seen...
Voyager...
What a pile of SHIT.
I normally like everything Star Trek, well, the Next Generation was good back in the day but looks rather dated in places now, DS9 felt like it was building to an awesome climax around season 4 then completely failed to deliver, and the Original series... well let's not even go there...
But Voyager is in a class all of it's own.
Sure.. the visuals are top-notch... the sets actually look like alien planets instead of the flat floor with sand on it and some paper-mache rocks like you get in the Next Gen... but aside from that it SUCKS.
For a start Captain Janeway is the most egotistical up her own high arse morality dictatorial bitch in the entire galaxy.
Neelix needs blowing out of a bloody airlock, the stupid furry quasi-yankee hedgehog crossed with a zebra.
And what they did to the Borg is utterly pathetic. The Borg Queen? FFS...
The Kazon are just the klingons with a new name.
The videans are their poxy "phage" disease are the most stupid alien race ever invented in any sci-fi show ever.
Commander Tuvok is like a less endearing version of Spock, and Harry Kim is a shallow pathetic teachers pet suck up.
The only good thing about the whole show is Seven of Nine and B'Leanna Torres, a pair I would exchange various vital parts of my anatomy for the chance to get into a threesome :P
Having said all that, my rant is not over.
W-T-F is a Triaxlating Algorithm... this is utter shit talk. Star Trek has always had techno-babble, but Voyager takes it to a whole new level of horse-shit. At least in the older serieses they actually bothered to consult with scientists and military engineers to make sure the techno-babble was at least semi grounded in actual scientific reality.
And that Hologram Doctor, the whole story line with him was a complete re-hash of what Mr Data went through in TNG.
Pile of Wank... all of it.
Worst Trek EVER.
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If there is no government there is no crime?
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Well I was just talking to an anarchist and apparently there are no criminals in anarchism because being a criminal is only present when there is a state..... thus in anarchy there is no ummm wrong?
I simply cannot get my head around this. I understand during anarchy there is no crime based on the fact there is a lack of government but there is still criminals (Which to exist do not need to be subject to law)
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So, we are one single universe, every bit of us.
Every star, planet, every human being, every animal every microbe.
Billions of years ago we evolved ourselves into dinosaurs, we collected huge amounts of energy into our gigantic lizard like bodies and then because we had hit a dead end we died out and started over with the new mamalian body types.
We split ourselves up into various types of animals and primates, eventually evolved the human form, and began using fossil fuels to build large scale technological society, the very same energy we had collated billions of years before but could not effectively use to get where we are now.
Now we could take it that all this happened by random chance, that all things are disconnected and unity / universal oneness is a mere abstract concept devoid of actual reality.
Or we can look at the path we have taken and believe that we took it together, all the bits of us, striving towards the goal we always had in mind which has only recently started to come together as the physical manifest reality.
In that instance, where we are truly all one being finding out that we are all one, experiencing our own self subjectively, then we must accept that all the animals, microbes and everything else is us as well.
In that case, the animals evolved the way they did to provide the other parts of us what has been needed to carry us forward towards higher intelligence, just as the organs of the body support the brain and have evolved to do so, so to the biosphere supports the human race and in this way of looking at it has evolved to do so, not by force, but by consent.
So when it comes to vegetarianism, what does universal unity of conciousness tell us about the concept?
Can it not be argued that the parts of us which evolved to be herbivorous did so in order to provide food for the parts of us that evolved towards higher intellect, as a team effort with the knowledge that there is a higher end game goal for all parts of us to attain?
Should we then be concerned that a being that decided for itself, in and of itself, as part of itself decided to sacrifice it's own suffering in reality in order to raise itself to a higher state for itself to finally enjoy for eternity?
Perhaps we should thank the cows, and pigs and sheep for their sacrifice, but then again maybe they should thank the humans for doing the intellectual part of the grand universal task, or maybe thanking oneself for bits of oneself doing what those bits of oneself are there to do, is inherently skitzophrenic and parts of ourself holding onto ideas like that is what has to happen for other parts of ourself to move past them in the future to bring about said final end game for the whole of ourself.
Ourself; The universe be our name,
Our kingdom come,
Our physics done,
On the Earth, as it is in the Cosmos,
We give us our self our daily bread,
and forget about all debts
as we thank our self for our efforts
and lead our self not into delusion
but deliver our self from duality,
for ours is the universe,
the eternity is reality.